Let’s Make a Deal or not! Redux.
Posted: December 8, 2010 Filed under: Team Obama, The Bonus Class, U.S. Economy | Tags: Bush tax cuts, polling about tax cut extensions, Tax Cut Extensions 45 CommentsSo,the top story pretty much every where is the tax deal. Oy! What a Deal! Or ordeal. Gallup has polled the voters on their feelings about the situation which is more than I can say for the President and the Congress.
Two major elements included in the tax agreement reached Monday between President Barack Obama and Republican leaders in Congress meet with broad public support. Two-thirds of Americans (66%) favor extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for all Americans for two years, and an identical number support extending unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed
The interesting part of the poll numbers actually is in the numbers that reflect the left and right wings and their party affiliation. Hardcore right wing Republicans don’t want extensions of unemployment benefits.
Looking more specifically at the different ideological wings of each party, only liberal Democrats oppose extending the tax breaks for everyone: 39% are in favor, while 55% are opposed. Among the other groups, support ranges from 64% of conservative/moderate Democrats to 87% of conservative Republicans.
Similarly, conservative Republicans are the only political/ideological group opposing the extension of unemployment benefits. The majority of moderate/liberal Republicans are in favor, as are most Democrats, regardless of ideology.
Gallup also polled on the DADT repeal and other issues. If you look at the numbers on each of the issues–including supporting more government regulation for food safety–the over whelming number of people do not support traditional Republican memes. If only we could get the President and the Congress to see that.
One of the things that really has frosted my cupcakes today is that there seems to be a consensus that an extension of jobless benefits was probably possible without the sell out negotiating methodology of the President. Catch this headline from the Quad Cities and Senator Charles Grassley: ‘Grassley says short jobless extension would have passed without tax deal’.
Republicans had blocked a vote on extending emergency jobless benefits, saying they should be paid for with excess stimulus money. But U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said today he thinks a three-month extension would eventually have gotten a vote and been approved, albeit along partisan lines.
“I think there would have been some accommodation on unemployment anyway, even if you didn’t have this tax bill,” Grassley said on a conference call with Iowa reporters.
“I think it would have been three months … a Republican measure would have been offset with stimulus money, surplus stimulus money. And if that didn’t get 60 votes, then it probably would have been not offset, and it would have been passed on a more partisan basis.”
He defended the compromise, saying that although Republicans didn’t get the permanent extension of the tax cuts they wanted, the two-year deal was better than seeing the tax breaks on all Americans end.
“It’s something where everybody was a winner,” he said.
Is any one else noticing the pattern that only Republicans and the White House seem to think this is a good deal?
A Bloomberg national poll showed that extending tax cuts to the uber wealthy is unpopular. Is it too far to the next election for any of the Congressional Beltway Blowhards to pay attention to these numbers?
Americans don’t approve of keeping the breaks for upper-income taxpayers that are part of the deal President Barack Obama brokered with congressional Republicans, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.
The survey, conducted before, during and after the tax negotiations, shows that only a third of Americans support keeping the lower rates for the highest earners. Even among backers of the cuts for the wealthy, fewer than half say they should be made permanent.
Another third say they want only the tax cuts for the middle class to be extended, while more than a fourth say all the tax cuts should be allowed to expire Dec. 31, as scheduled.
Oddly enough, the political bedfellows du jour are Jim DeMint and Bernie Sanders who are both voting no; obviously for different reasons. Then there’s already a bunch of weirdness being tacked on to the bill itself. Harry Reid is trying to add an online poker provision. Let’s see, Senator from Nevada, Las Vegas is in Nevada, tough fight for re-election … oh, you do the math. It’s just too painfully obvious.
Already, the online poker proposal has more info on the Nevada Democrat and exposed the charges of flip-flopping on a controversial issue, as well as using his Senate leadership position to repay big casino interests that helped him win reelection in a hard-fought campaign against Republican Sharron Angle last month.
Reid, who has previously opposed online gambling, declined to comment Monday through a spokesman.
But Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), as well as several senior congressional sources and gambling lobbyists, confirmed that Reid and his staff have reached out to other Senate offices to try to build support for adding the online poker legislation — a draft of which POLITICO has obtained — to a measure extending the Bush-era tax cuts.
These guys just do not listen to the voters. It’s the same old back deal, big money political two-step that makes the entire country want to scream. Steven Benen over at The Washington Monthly is looking for Plan B. Will any Democratic congressional critterz stand up for what’s right for a change?
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities’ Bob Greenstein, who has as much liberal credibility on budget and tax issues as anyone, doesn’t seem to like the “disturbing negative” provisions of the tax policy deal struck by the White House and congressional Republicans. But he wants to see it pass anyway.”Congress should approve this package — its rejection will likely lead to a more problematic package that does less for middle- and low-income workers and less for the economy,” Greenstein said yesterday. He added that the agreement includes “surprisingly strong protections for low- and middle-income working families.”
Dean Baker, another very credible, highly respected liberal economist, reached a similar conclusion. Prominent lefty wonks like Lawrence Mishel and John Podesta offered the same assessments yesterday.
The New York Times editorial page said Democrats are “in revolt,” but they should “vote for this deal” anyway.
That’s always what the do. They get on TV. Talk about what a travesty a bill is and how it’s immoral and inhumane and just plain unAmerican. Then, they get a whiff of bacon and roll over like starving dogs. This game is getting old.
Benen’s got a big list of questions at the end of his article that demands a response.
But what then? How would extended unemployment benefits pass for the millions of jobless Americans who need them? What happens to the economic stimulus? What’s the strategy for getting quick approval for an expanded earned-income tax credit and the continuation of a college-tuition tax credit? With almost no time left on the clock, after winning the fight on tax policy, is the plan to simply punt on New START ratification, DADT repeal, the DREAM Act, food safety, and health care for Ground Zero workers, hoping for the best in the next Congress?
This isn’t a democracy. There’s no sense that any one in Washington listens to their voters or reads polls with obvious trends and consensus of opinion. The power is all located in the folks that help these people buy their elections. We’re getting to be just one big banana republic. What on earth can we do about it?
Grassley: Tax deal includes biofuel subsidies (Des Moines Register) http://j.mp/hZmJ0Z http://mrand.us/AOla
I saw that earlier today…I think there are plenty of things that are in this deal, that are being sneaked in. (Reid and casinos is an example)
“This tax bill is really beginning to resemble a Christmas tree with everybody hanging their ornaments on it…”
“This is why FDR, when he started Social Security, it only affected widows and orphans.” Obama said. I may be confused but I don’t think this is right. I know things were added later but I remember it a lot different. Is this just a republican talking point? We know how he loves those.
That is confused! Sheesh! How did this guy get through this many public offices and not even understand the basics of social security?
Good catch pd…I just heard that the GOP thinks Obama’s “move to the center” is a good thing. Cough…Cough…Move to center?
Where does that quote come from?!!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/12/07/obama-again-says-social-security-originally-widows-and-orphans-only
He made the comment in his presser yesterday.
Oh, and I suppose I should add the this is a right wing source but the quote is correct addendum.
GMTA. Read what I just posted.
It was a great link, because it explained that O was confusing the Civil War Pension program with Social Security. Or maybe O is just re-writing history to his liking. That would certainly fit the pattern.
And that is from a right wing site! The progs elected not only a Republican, but an ignorant, far right corrupt Republican.
What? Isn’t he the most brilliant president we’ve ever had? So professorial? Such a constitutional law scholar?
Well after reading all of that ,BB, the only bright side is, I wasn’t hearing things.
I don’t know how I missed it yesterday. I guess it was because I was focusing on the repulsive whining tone of the delivery.
But I read in the newspapers he was mad!!!
He was mad in the same way a toddler is mad. Having a tantrum and whining because he didn’t get what he wanted: applause from Democrats for destroying the Democratic Party.
Of course! The best money could buy; no wonder he’s ignorant and corrupt.
Betcha he made his grad student do all the fact-checking for the few classes he “taught.”
It was the first wife of civil war veteran who would receive the benefits, and not second wives, as they were not entitled. And if she remarried after his death, the benefits were cut off.
SS was a retirement plan for primary workers in 1935. The first person to receive SS was Ida Mae Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont. She was born 6 Sep 1874, and received the first check on 31 Jan 1940. Amount of check $22.54. She was never married and never had children.
It wasn’t until 1939 that survivor benefits were included in the plan.
It really make me ill when I heard him say it, but then I was second guessing my self. Does he really believe this crap?
Yeah. I think he does. I felt that when he would tell those stories during the election that later would turn out not to be even possible like the one about his uncle liberating the NAZI death camp that the Russians liberated and the one about watching some capsule splash down on his grandfather’s shoulder. He creates a narrative to suit him and talks himself into it too.
My head hurts too much to think of exactly what literary character embodies these same features…”He creates a narrative to suit him and talks himself into it too.”
Walter Mitty!
I am beginning to write like a speak now, HA! I meant to say Made. he he.
Did you catch this bit of fear mongering by the WH. Summers says we will have a double dip recession without the bill.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hM9wjAWnO4VUYY2twOeDb-Npn83w?docId=967bd1337c7246b69977b5037aa4cccc
I assume Summers was in the room to negotiate with the Republcians. Ya’ know – that meeting that did not include Democratic leaders.
I have never seen a WH treat their own elected leaders in this fashion. Obama is treating them like children – like they don’t matter. I think tempers are blowing all over DC – its insulting. Before the leadership was informed of the details of what Obama had given away he called a press conference to announce the deal. The purpose was to out-flank his own party leaders. This Summers tripe is to continue the end around.
thanks…Dee.
Larry Summers: If Tax Deal Goes Down There's A 'Significant Risk' Of A Double Dip Recession
Scare tactics to the “angry democrats”.Get in line or it’s “To Big To Fail” tax cuts.
Yep – Shock Doctrine
Oh brother! The melodrama!! The angst!!! The BS!!!
Unless Obama turns into FDR, we are headed for double dipping anyway. Shut up, Larry.
WTF?! I thought Larry Summers quit?
This is designed to get elected Democrats and liberals in line???
That little short fucker needs to be stuffed in a duffel bag and thrown in a waste container.
I am not sure where he is but it is clear that Obama is still listening to him – perhaps only him. This explains a lot about the “deal” Obama made with Republicans.
He’s still a danger until January.
When Obama ran his program to label the Clintons racist I thought it was the worst thing I had ever seen one leading Democrat to do another. I thought it was sinister.
But after trying to destroy the Clintons he has gone on to actually destroy the Party.
And now he is about to get the Country. He is evil.
This sounds like a Teaparty person but he is really, really scaring me.
Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned. Hell hath no fury like a scorned narcissist. (With apologies to William Congreve)
I really don’t think Medicare started out as a small program either. From 1965 on it covered everyone over 65. How is that small?
It really is amazing that Democrats never correct or even try to pull back to the left.
And in just 6 months (six!) after the Medicare bill was signed, people were getting benefits. None of this “Wait until 2 years after the next election” BS. And back before computers, no less.
As part of its pathetic PR attempt to promote why Obama’s sell-out is such a great deal, the White House has put out an “Interested Parties” memo with a list of the bought-and-paid-for singing Hosanna (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/interested_parties_tax_deal.pdf). There is absolutely no data to support any of the comments–unlike Dak, who provides us with nice charts!–and the quotes are simply spun out of thin air. But hey, if both Goldman Sachs and Ezra Klein say it’s a good deal, well then we simply have to believe that they know so much more than we do about what’s good for the country.
I think I’m getting a migraine: Obama’s Sellout on Taxes: Game Plan for a Flat Tax, Social Security Cutbacks and Austerity
http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson12082010.html
ouch!
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And who would have believed it? {{lolsob}}
I started a new thread for the updates on the votes tonight…did you see the one that affects Gitmo?